MrPikon (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

"Considering every past US legacy fighter in the past 30 years tops out aroun 1,600mph."A perfect example of what I'm talking about is the F-15. On paper the F-15 has a top speed of Mach 2.5, so it's actually faster than both the F-22 and the Typhoon 'in theory', but in reality they rarely exceed Mach 1.2~1.3, and I don't think there has been a single instance of an F-15 reaching it's 'top speed' of Mach 2.5 operationally.

MrPikon (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

"Even the f-15 pilot say most dog fights occur aroun 20,000ft."That's not much of a surprise though when you think about it. The F-15, F-16, F-18 don't normally spend much time at 40~50k ft, the F-22's does, but would still have to drop down to the same altitude to make a kill with guns or winders.

MrPikon (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

F22Ownage, The F-22 does have a very impressive first day strike capability, but if you rewind back I was disagreeing with the claim that the F-22 carries a greater payload, as it doesn't.

madbob73 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

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F22Ownage (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I stand corrected its 12 missles including external not 16.h tt p : // upload . wikimedia . org / wikipedia/en/9/9f/AFG-070605-002 . jpgAs for AtG, The f-22 at Mach 1.5 and an altitude of 50,000 feet, released a GPS-aided, 1,000-pound (JDAM) from a range of 24 nautical miles.Also the SDB can fit 4 per hard point. 16 just on the external hard points alone. As travel up to 40nm away.watch?v=VplddV722woThat vid with the internal bay only.

F22Ownage (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I agree, Here is some ggod videos about some recent dogt fights at red flag. Even the f-15 pilot say most dog fights occur aroun 20,000ft. Speed was not mentioned. However I am sure going to a from a fight they would be obtained.Sorry though, I can speak German..

F22Ownage (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I agree.. Considering every past US legacy fighter in the past 30 years tops out aroun 1,600mph. I higly doubt they would make any sacrifice with the raptor. Considering the f-22's thrust output and that of those of the legacy aircraft, it would be foolish to consider anything different.

F22Ownage (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Yes they have. Heres some good picks:w w w . ausairpower . net / raptor . html

MrPikon (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

"Demo light hardly show ANY planes real perfomance ..."You also have to consider when watching displays flown by the Typhoon, at least the service displays (RAF, AMI, Luftwaffe, EdA), are all flown by aircraft with limited FCS envelope, block 5 aircraft have 10% greater performance. -w w w . flightglobal . c o m / articles/2007/08/09/215970/italy-gets-first-pirate-eurofighter . h t m lOr listen to the pilot who's commentating in this clip. -p5vfNQelyko @ 5.05

MrPikon (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

"They found the su-30 could sustain a 22-23dps. F-22 sustains a 28dps. Honeslty I dont thing the EF out turns the SU-30."Why because it has TVC ?TVC has a negligible effect on sustained turn performance. In reality sustaining a turn comes down to two major factors, lift and thrust, and the Typhoon has the lowest wing loading of the three, and the highest thrust-to-weight. The Su-30MKI by comparison has the lowest t/w, and highest wing loading of the three.