ProLatinMusic (August 18, 2008 at 7:28 pm)

gracias

123obo123 (August 17, 2008 at 11:21 pm)

Bean, Bird, Dizzy Gillespie, and Thelonius Monk colletively started the bebop scene.Don't tell me to get educated after you suggested that Charlie Parker wasn't innovative. Perhaps he didn't single-handedly start bebop, but you must be incredibly touched in the head to suggest he was as stale and unoriginal as, say, a West-Coast Jazz man who entertains party guest with his concoction of watered-down Basie standards.

synthjazz (August 17, 2008 at 3:38 pm)

Grow up and go learn about the real founders of bebop. Your comments are just laughable! PMSL!Some people are just so naive.You've got a lot of learning to do yet, kiddo, so get down off your high horse and go practice, or, better still - listen to the music!

123obo123 (August 17, 2008 at 7:36 am)

I've heard of Dexter Gordon. I'm unfamiliar with the nickname, though.It is safe to say that Bird invented bop. Though an older generation of swing musicians gave way to it, it was mainly Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, and Monk who were at bebop's forefront, with Bird leading the way.Anyway, I'm 17 if you're really that interested. I go to school, and you'd do well to go back there. Someone might teach you to punctuate your questions with only one question mark.

synthjazz (August 17, 2008 at 7:04 am)

You've NEVER heard of Dexter Gordon???and BIRD invented BOP?oh, FFS!!!Please, dude.....do everyone a favour and get an education!! How old are you??.....15??......

123obo123 (August 17, 2008 at 6:34 am)

I've actually never heard of 'Dex.'Anyway, 'white' really refers more to the culture that invented West Coast jazz than to the race of its musicians. All the founders were classically-trained white musicians, unlike the jazz-trained black musicians who were part of the East Coast scene.The differences in musical and cultural background affected the music.Bird invented bop. I don't think you can say that he didn't teach the world anything when he invented a highly influential genre.

synthjazz (August 17, 2008 at 6:25 am)

...errrr.....Dex was 'West Coast' all the way....and he weren't nowhere near 'white' !!!Getz was cool, as was Steve Grossman. Seems though all the cool guys had to be junkies! Shame though, that Bird had to die before he could really teach us anything more than what had gone before.

123obo123 (August 17, 2008 at 5:42 am)

I'm not so sure of that.Some people have called Parker the best saxophonist of all time. He was far more inventive and skillful than his contemporaries. The mellow, poppy style of Getz, while smooth and pleasant, pales in comparison with the artistry of Parker's playing. The work of Getz is essentially elevator music from a guy whose claim to fame is mainly a nauseatingly soft (and very west-coast/'white') tone and Joao Gilberto's guitar.

synthjazz (August 17, 2008 at 4:04 am)

Ditto here, dude!!Lester, Dex, Cannonball, heck, even Getz!...can knock spots off 'bird' any day of the week!! Not a Bird fan (can ya tell?? LOL!).....if he'd stayed off the junk long enough, well maybe he could have given the old cats a run for their money, but he couldn't, he didn't...........and the good old beboppers will float my boat any day of the week over Bird!!

jazzcombo251 (August 13, 2008 at 5:39 pm)

is it ray brown on bass?